MAYWEATHER WAS PROTECTING HIS FUTURE
Last word on the ‘Money’ – “Vicious’ fiasco. Usually you have great stuff & I agree with most of your boxing opinions…so I am not really disagreeing with you here, just thinking that you missed something in your analysis. All the talk about ‘street justice’ regarding the KO punch is contrived & too simple-minded. The more appropriate reason for the punch is Mayweather protecting his future.
As you put it, Ortiz was in a pretty obvious mental meltdown (see Tyson v. Holyfield II) and very likely would’ve committed more fouls during the match. He had been fighting ‘dirty’ most of the match and the hypocrisy of his tactics after complaining about Floyd changed me from being an Ortiz fan. Why should Floyd try to continue showing complete sportsmanship against someone who is fouling him AND melting down mentally? What if the next foul headbutt or elbow detaches Floyd’s retina? How can it be ‘unsportsmanlike’ to end THAT situation fairly and within the rules?
Watch the fight again…Ortiz committed many fouls, but only the last, most egregious was recognized by the ref. You said you have no problem with a fighter retaliating against unrecognized fouls, and Floyd actually retaliated WITHIN THE RULES! I say good for him.
Every Floyd’s detractors are (wrongly) ASSUMING that Ortiz would have suddenly became a professional for the remainder of the match and we know how unlikely that scenario truly was. Floyd had accepted at least three apologies in very sportsmanlike fashion, and the timeout was OVER. Time in, Fight on!
Floyd’s ending the fight then and there was good sportsmanship, before Ortiz had a further opportunity to hurt his own future and career or severely damage Money May’s. — Jitahadi, Los Angeles, CA
The way Mayweather ended the fight was definitely not good sportsmanship, Jitahadi. If you really believe that, perhaps you should change your name to “Jihadi.”
(Sorry about that play on your name. I admit it was a cheap shot, but you left yourself open for it by giving me your name after providing a particularly lame-ass excuse for Mayweather’s behavior, so I guess that makes it OK, right?)
Ortiz was mentally unraveling but he hadn’t gone stark raving mad Edwin Valero style. He was not completely out of control. If he was he wouldn’t have stopped attacking Mayweather when Cortez intervened to dock him a point.
And I seriously doubt that his next foul was going to blind, maim or disfigure Mayweather. Ortiz’s next foul was going to get him D-the f__k-Q’d. Anyone who doubts that doesn’t know much about Joe Cortez.
I don’t think Mayweather feared for his life in there. I think he might of feared for his record. The longer the fight went the more Ortiz had a chance to get lucky. Mayweather worries about s__t like that, even in fights he’s dominating (hence the reason he didn’t try to take out Juan Manuel Marquez or Carlos Baldomir.) He doesn’t want to risk getting caught, even against older, slower, lighter-hitting fighters. He certainly doesn’t want to risk anything against a younger, bigger, harder-hitting fighter. He saw an opportunity to end the bout (or at least gain the upper hand in a big way) and he took it. It wasn’t illegal but it wasn’t ethical. End of story.
Thank you, Stephen. Sadly, in doing so, I’ve lost all of my street cred. I hope you can still respect me.
I thank you for addressing the issue of "street mentality" when it comes to professional boxing. As a boy I watched Friday Night Fights with my father (sponsored by Gillette). I saw the original Sugar Ray, Basilio, Ralph "Tiger" Jones, Rocky Marciano, Carl "Bobo" Olsen and countless others. Never once, not once, did I hear anyone say anything negative about his opponent. It's become disgraceful the way some so-called professionals disrespect each other. Possibly I used the term "professional" within the incorrect context; some the boxers are professional in that they are being paid and that's the extent of it. These bouts are not street fights, they are professional bouts governed by rules. I don't know why or how boxing has become what it is today, but that "street mentality" is not doing the sport any good. Thanks for reading this. — Prof. Konje
Thanks for sharing, Professor. You are absolutely right. The profession has become solely about making money and nothing else, and we wonder why the sport isn’t growing.
SICK OF YOU DOGGING MONEY
I know it is very hard for you to see a positive spin on anything Mayweather so, let me point this out.
There is no such thing as an easy fight at the top level. Money makes it look easy. He is undefeated because he approaches every fight the same way, to win at all cost, so the point is mute that because he was dominating Ortiz, he should not take advantage of a situation that presented itself. Find me a fight where a fighter hugged, kissed, and apologized 3 times to the fighter he fouled and you would have an argument. He smacked Mosley while dominating him when Mosley tried to sign Teddy Atlas infamous “silent contract” in the 8th round of their fight. He smacked Gatti while dominating him in the 1st round when Gatti forgot he was in a fight.
Bottom line the difference between Money and all these other fighters is his focus. “Don’t make no mistakes” is his watch word. This guy forces fighters to focus every second of the game that it saps them of their energy because they are not used to it. Nobody said a damn thing when Cotto clocked Gomez on a break with his hands down while dominating the fight. I bet you did not have a problem with that.
My point is, at the top level in boxing just like any other top level, winning is all that matters and the end justifies the means. No different from RingTV using Satterfield to do the same thing you used to criticize in other boxing websites because you need to be competitive and make a profit, proving my point that the higher you go the more the rules are stretched and integrity thrown out the door. Profit, winning, or whatever you call it is what matters and you can’t take any opponent likely, otherwise Larry Merchant will tell you like he likes to tell Lennox Lewis “ A champion needs to be prepared every time out”.
So stop with dogging Money already. If you want to see the positive you will see that all betting men who are not emotionally vested in the game love MONEY MAYWEATHER just for that. Common men, Money is money in the bank. — William
Calm down, Williams. (You Mayweather fans really get emotionally worked up, don’t you?)
Nobody has stated or written that Mayweather isn’t a superb boxer or a consummate winner. Nobody is questioning his always excellent pre-fight preparation or his steely in-the-ring focus. (Or even his proven nasty streak, which you provided wonderful examples of.) I don’t see what all of that has to do with what he did last Saturday?
All I’ve said is that I didn’t like the sucker punch. I don’t know what else to call it and I don’t see how I can put a “positive spin” on that action. I’m sorry, but I don’t think that should be considered “dogging” Mayweather.
Profit and money is not what professional boxing is to me. I cover the SPORT of boxing, not the BUSINESS of boxing.
I don’t give a rat’s ass about what “betting men who aren’t emotionally vested in the game” think. I am emotionally vested in the sport. I love boxing and I don’t care if you don’t get that.
Lem Satterfield was added to the RingTV.com to bring more balance to our coverage, not to make bucks. (If he were here to make us dough, he’d be a members-only writer and we’d charge you read him!) He’s here because he works his ass off. Yes, that means volume, but he’s also all over breaking news. He covers the business side better than I do. I don’t care to talk to promoters and managers and network guys about contracts and money. I never have and I never will. He gets that side of the sport more than I do and that’s a good thing for the website. But Lem also talks to fighters and he’s got love for the sport. It’s not all about money to him. Life is not about money to Lem.
It shouldn’t all be about money to you, either.