One thing I am finding really interesting in the wake of the Pacquiao-Bradley fight is how commentators scored the fight. You gave Bradley 1, 6 and 7.
Harold Lederman scored it 11-1 Pacquiao.
Michael Rosenthal had it 10-2 Pacquiao.
On Jim Lampley’s show The Fight Game last night Max Kellerman said he watched the fight again with the commentary off, scored it carefully, and scored it 7-5 Pacquiao.
It seems that most every person scoring the fight has a different outcome, if not total score then in which rounds went to who. Perhaps this wasn’t as much of a robbery as we initially thought?
I also thought watching it again that it reminded me of De La Hoya v. Trinidad. Perhaps what many watchers credited as Pacquiao rope-a-doping Bradley the judges credited as Bradley controlling Pacquiao? Sincerely. – Adam S. Warshaw
Bradley did not look like a guy who was in control in the majority of rounds to these bright brown eyes. He looked like a very capable fighter doing what he could to win each round without engaging too much. That strategy can keep you from getting KTFO when facing a hard puncher, it can make a fight competitive if you’re as talented as Bradley is, but it’s usually not enough to win a fight against an equally talented and game champion like Pacquiao.
Pacquiao-Bradley was the rare occasion when the guy who did just enough to lose the majority of rounds got the benefit of the doubt in EVERY close round on the scorecards of two of the official judges.
Yes, there were close rounds. Different people among the media gave different close rounds to Bradley. Very few of us gave him ALL of the close rounds.
And what Kellerman said on Fight Game was that IF he gave Bradley ALL of the close rounds, he still would have had Pacquiao winning 115-113. Don’t put words into the man’s mouth.
I know boxing fans sometimes have reading comprehension issues as well as very selective hearing, so I went back and watched the show and wrote down exactly what Kellerman said about re-watching the fight and paying close attention to the scoring:
“If you divide the fight into decisive rounds for one fighter or another and then swing rounds that could have gone either way, I had seven for Pacquiao, one for Bradley, four kind of indecisive swing rounds that could’ve gone either way.
“In the old days it would’ve been (switching to an old-time announcer’s voice) ‘referee Ruby Goldstein scores the fight seven rounds – Pacquiao, one round – Bradley, four even, for your winner, Pacquiao!’ Nowadays they don’t like even rounds.
“Even if you gave all four indecisive rounds to Bradley (it’s) seven-five Pacquiao. I don’t see how you get Pacquiao with fewer than seven rounds.”
DUELING MEXICAN STAR PPV SHOWS
First of all I want to say Happy Fathers Day. Moving into the Chavez fight Saturday night, I got to say I was impressed with Chavez. He just seems like a whole different fighter than what I’m use to seeing and not only cause he KO’d Lee. Even if that fight would of gone to distance I still would think the same, he looked strong, and with a little more technique. If you would of asked me before Saturday who would win between Chavez vs Martinez, I wouldn’t hesitate to say Martinez but after Saturday night, now I really think Chavez has a chance and on top of that he has a good four months to come up with a game plan to fight Martinez!
One thing I’m not really happy about is the fight landing on September 15th. I don’t think it is good for business and not good for the fans, since there is already a fight taking place that same day involving another Mexican fighter, Saul Alvarez, and from what I saw, it’s also going to be in Vegas,
-So, 2 fights in Vegas on the same date (different site)
-Both on different PPV.
-Both Mexican fighters.
It’s not a good idea, but who do you think will do better numbers on PPV? I was really planning on going to Vegas to catch the Canelo vs Ortiz fight, but now that Chavez vs Lee is taking place I don’t know which one to go to. Which one will you go to if you could pick? I gotta say that GBP usually puts a better card than TR. But I think the Martinez VS Chavez just means more.
One Last thing, I saw the judges score cards after the fight, and all three judges had Lee up by 2 points. I wasn’t keeping a scorecard but I thought Chavez was winning the fight by a least a round or two. He was landing the harder shots and was being more effective. Do you think it was heading to another “Bradley Call”…lol… what are your thoughts on that? Well Dougie, I hope you had a good Fathers Day with your love ones! Always looking forward for your Mailbags. – Jaime, Phoenix, AZ
I had a nice Father’s Day with my wife and two girls, as well as with my father (who is visiting with my mother and nephew). Thanks for asking.
I don’t think Chavez-Lee was on the way to a “Bradley Call.” The official judges just gave Lee credit for landing more punches over the first four rounds (Junior practically gave away the first two rounds, and took a few rounds to warm up). Chavez didn’t really begin to impose himself on Lee until the second half of the fifth round.
I agree that dueling pay-per-view cards headlined by Mexican stars on the same date (and maybe even the same city) is a bad idea. As MaxBoxing.com’s Steve Kim tweeted yesterday, the market isn’t big enough to pull that s__t without hurting the potential revenue of both shows.
If Golden Boy Promotions and Top Rank actually go through with this madness, I’ll probably sit out both cards and do my job from home where I can watch both cards simultaneously, if need be. I’d send staff writers and photographers/video guys to both shows, but I’d save myself a trip.
As usual, however, we’re all getting way ahead of ourselves on this issue. Arum and DiBella have a verbal agreement in place to stage Chavez-Martinez in the fall. It’s not a done deal. If and when the contracts are actually signed, this fight could just as easily land in October as it could the Sept. 15 date.
And don’t forget, Canelo doesn’t really have a dance partner yet. Victor Ortiz has to take care of business against Josesito Lopez this Saturday without getting cut or banged up for that PPV main event to be solidified. I know Lopez isn’t considered to be a top contender, but the guy’s a young vet who can fight, and I’ve never seen anyone have an easy night with him.
My point is that anything can happen between now and Sept. 15. Alvarez , Chavez or Martinez could sustain an injury during training. It seems to happen more than ever these days. There’s no point in getting too upset about dueling pay-per-view dates until both cards are actually finalized, scheduled for Sept. 15 and announced to the world.
SECOND THOUGHTS ON JUNIOR
My second time writing. I sat myself in a corner after you corrected me on my lack of PC (I called 50 Floyd’s ahem back boy…) I will keep it clean this time…
Pac beat Bradley. Giving Bradley every possible benefit of the doubt you can only give him 5 rounds. I wonder since Manny tends to go off balance a bit, it isn’t considered “ring generalship” by the judges. And they fail to see the shots he is stunning his foe with… Just a thought…
Before the Rubio fight, I thought Martinez would murder Junior. Now after seeing him maul Lee, I think the laughter at that matchup has stopped. Martinez is incredibly skilled and awkward. However, he will weight no more than 165 on fight night. Chavez may be 185! Chavez takes a good shot, kills the body, and is nasty (kinda like his daddy). Your thoughts?
Mythical matchup, if RJ had fought Mike Tyson right after the Ruiz fight, who wins? Happy Father’s Day! – Marcos
Thanks Marcos. I think Jones had the ability to outpoint Tyson after his triumph over Ruiz, but I’m going with “Iron MIke.” Tyson was a wasted shell by that time; however, he could still punch. If that fight were made, Mike knew – and more importantly, Jones knew – that he could get him outta there with one shot. Knowing that, I believe Tyson would have trained his ass off to be able to storm the ring for the first two or three rounds the way he did in his prime. Jones would train to be less confrontational than he already was at the higher weight classes. A long buried Joe Louis could predict the result: “Roy, you can run but you can’t hide.” Tyson by second-round KO.
I think James Toney, another middleweight who campaigned at heavyweight, could have beat the 2003 version of Tyson because of his inside defense, infighting ability and steadfast belief in his chin.
Regarding Martinez-Chavez, I agree with Andy Lee: it’s a tough fight for Sergio. The size, iron chin, body attack and underrated technique will give the real middleweight champ a tough fight. But I think Martinez will be up for this fight and he’ll do what it takes to beat the young lion in a dramatic struggle.
Let’s hope the fight happens. Chavez has earned it. Martinez deserves it. Boxing needs it.
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