Doug Fischer

Dougie’s Monday mailbag

SHOWTIME IS HOLDING IT DOWN

Lucas Matthysse and Humberto Soto put on a wonderful fight. Loved it.

Victor Ortiz vs Josesito Lopez was afu**ingmazing! I don’t know if it is fair to label Ortiz as a quitter from having his jaw broken. His corner was trying to get him to fight, but it was his call and no one is in his body but him. Ortiz is not the Mexican Arthur Abraham, but…..

“I’m the Mexican Paul Williams” – Josesito Lopez

What’s next for Jermell Charlo? That boy handling his bidness!

I’m glad that Canelo’s fight is cancelled cuz I REALLY wanna see Sergio Martinez v Julio Chavez Jr., and I don’t want any bulls__t standing in the way of that fight. – Jabre from Texas

Saul Alvarez’s Sept. 15 date is not cancelled. Golden Boy Promotions is looking for a new opponent. Best case scenario in my not-so humble opinion is that Alvarez faces an opponent that isn’t pay-per-view material, but is worthy enough to merit a Showtime Championship Boxing main event – or better yet, CBS-televised showcase – that airs before Martinez and Chavez touch gloves (if that fight goes through as planned).

Charlo is quickly moving towards the top of the class of U.S. junior middleweight prospects. I don’t know if I’d rate the 22-year-old Houston native ahead of Demetrius Andrade, but he’s closing in on the 2008 Olympian thanks to his last two performances. I was ringside (in Houston in March) for Charlo’s third-round stoppage of Chris Chatman, a strong and tricky spoiler who gave Andrade fits in ‘09, and for his one-hitter quitter against Denis Douglin, and in both cases, he exceeded my expectations.

I’d like to see him take on an experienced, battle-tested veteran (who isn’t too old or faded), such as Saul Roman, in his next bout.

You’re right about Ortiz. He’s not in Arthur Abraham’s class of toughness but that doesn’t mean he’s “weak willed” or “spineless.” He did indeed suffer a broken jaw and only he knows how much it hurt or what it would have been like to fight a relentless guy like Lopez for another three rounds. However, I’m not sure that he hasn’t earned the “quitter” label.

On two occasions – in high-profile fights – Ortiz got out of the kitchen when it got too hot for him. I’m not saying he’s a wuss. I’m not calling him a coward. I think Ortiz is a tough guy who has balls – to an extent. He’ll take on anyone, and he’ll fight like a tiger while taking his lumps, but he will not go out on his shield. Ortiz is not that kind of warrior. He will say enough’s enough. He will pull himself out of a fight.

In boxing, we call that a quitter. It’s a mark of shame, but it’s not the end of the world. Better fighters than Ortiz – including the great Roberto Duran (following the infamous “No Mas” rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard) – have been called quitters. The late Genaro Hernandez, one of the most noble prize fighters I’ve had the pleasure of following, covering and knowing, was called a quitter (after his fight with Oscar De La Hoya). Vitali Klitschko, who like Hernandez will probably one day join Duran the International Hall of Fame, was called a quitter after a shoulder injury kept him on his stool against Chris Byrd.

It took most of the 1980s, but Duran eventually redeemed himself. Hernandez redeemed himself by choosing to fight on against Azumah Nelson after taking a foul shot to the throat, which could have resulted in a DQ victory had he claimed he was unable to continue. Klitschko redeemed himself with a TKO loss to Lennox Lewis. 

Can Ortiz redeem himself? We’ll see. I like Victor and I honestly look forward to watching him fight.

Matthysse-Soto was not the Fight of the Year that I (and many others) thought it would be, but it was a lot of fun while it lasted.

JOSESITO “ROCKY” LOPEZ

What’s up Dougie?

We hard core boxing fans aren’t really surprised by Josesito Lopez beating Victor Ortiz. Lopez is a warrior and his trainer, Henry Ramirez, is a smart guy. Henry said that if Josesito kept the pressure on Ortiz he would beat him, and that’s what he did. I like Victor but he can’t handle pressure, and doesn’t like to get hit. He quit, period! No excuses! The great Pernell Whittaker finished his fight against Tito Trinidad with a broken jaw!

I wouldn’t mind watching Josesito against Canelo, what about you Dougie? – Miguel, LBC

I know Lopez will always give his all and will never embarrass himself in any fight, but I think it’s a little much to ask a natural junior welterweight who looked kind of fleshy at 144.75 pounds to step up to the 154-pound division to take on a young lion like Canelo. I don’t want to see that fight.

Regarding Ortiz, you’re right. He quit. It doesn’t mean that it wasn’t the right decision to make under the circumstances, it just means he’s not one of the few fighters with the pride and fortitude to fight through such a serious injury.

You’re right, Whitaker (who I also consider great) went the distance with a tremendous puncher with a broken jaw. Even fighters who aren’t great, including Abraham and Tommy Morrison, fought with broken jaws (and those two guys actually won their fights despite the injury). These men are very special, and we should recognize it without detracting too much from those fighters who behave like you and I would if we were in a similar situation.

I know I wouldn’t exchange punches with anyone with a broken jaw.

I’ve known Ramirez and Lopez for a long time. Henry is definitely a student of the game and Josesito is indeed a warrior. I was just as happy for Ramirez as I was for Lopez on Saturday. They deserve all of the accolades they receive in the aftermath of this upset.

I’m not buying your line about “hardcore fans” not being surprised by Lopez’s victory. I didn’t receive any emails in support of Lopez prior to Saturday. And most of the Facebook comments under Ortiz-Lopez stories predicted an “easy” victory for Ortiz or just took a dump on the fight itself.

I’m not saying that you didn’t know that Josesito was for real, but a lot of self-defined “hardcore fans” were shocked s__tless, as my mother says, by what happened Saturday night. 

EATING MY WORDS

Dougie,
I labeled your article on Ortiz vs Lopez being a very competitive/war fight as Koolaid, but boy was I wrong! You’re on a very good streak with your predictions- Very different than your Hasim Rahman days. – Joseph Giguere

Ah yes, The Rock was my kryptonite. I never could tell whether Rahman would mentally show up for a big fight or not. In his own way, Rahman was unpredictable as Ortiz.

Lopez’s ability to take a hard punch, however, was predictable, at least it was to a Southern California-based boxing writer who likes to check in on the local gym scene.

Quick story: During the last part of his training camp for his WBC lightweight title bout against Antonio Pitalua, the late Edwin Valero had one sparring partner – Lopez.

When Valero switched trainers (Ken Adams for Robert Alcazar), he also switched locations – from Las Vegas to Costa Mesa, Calif. The local sparring partners Valero’s management brought in were getting KTFO in succession. (And I mean that quite literally; ask David Avila – another So. Cali. fight scribe who makes the rounds at the local gyms – if you can’t take my word for it.) I visited the camp about two weeks out from the fight date and asked about Valero’s sparring. Alcazar told me “Well, there’s this one young man from Riverside, who’s giving Edwin great work.” I knew it was Josesito.

Still, Lopez is almost 5-foot-11. Pitalua is no taller than 5-foot-7. I asked Valero if sparring with such a tall, rangy boxer could throw him off when he faces an opponent who is his height. He told me in his best English: “Who cares? Lopez can take it and he has heart. He gives me good rounds. That’s all that matters.”

That’s all that really mattered in the Ortiz fight. Lopez doesn’t have Berto’s speed and power, but he’s blessed with a much better chin than the Haitian-American. I knew that attribute coupled with Lopez’s good stamina and warrior’s heart would possibly give Ortiz a tougher time than Berto did in their first fight. And I truly believed that it had the potential to be a better fight than the Ortiz-Berto rematch may have been.

Of course, when I wrote that opinion following the kick-off press conference or stated it on video, I had to hear it from fans who try too damn hard to be cynical in the form of annoying-ass Facebook comments. You said I was serving Kool-Aid (nice!). Others said I was writing Golden Boy Promotions press releases. Others just dumped on Lopez. He’s too small. He’s is an average fighter with no significant wins. He has no shot. Blah, blah, blah.

Apart from you, Joseph (because you’re man enough to admit you were wrong), every know-it-all Facebook poster who said I was schilling for GBP or that Lopez was a nobody can kiss my half-breed ass (I’m talking to you Mike Yizzi and Greg Patterson).

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